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notshai
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 Posted - 02/05/2007 : 22:24:38
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i searched here and couldnt find a good answer.
please dont reply if your advice is "load on another similar HAL machine and move HD". i am not going to do that. sticking that f-cking HD in there was a nightmare, the metallix wraper and plastic casing barely fit in, i had to cram it all in and the plastic door looks bloated :O yayx.
what i have:
i have a "new" p1120 w a blank drive, a sony pcmcia cd rom, a 2003 server cd (please ignore my logic of OS selection) image on a linux boot CD rom.
what i want:
install 2003 server.
i tried the pcmcia cdrom - didnt recognize it.
i tried a USB flash drive with boot ntdetect ntldr etc - didnt detect.
i want to try PXE load but im not sure 2003 server will load via that
i want to understand what the HD boot menu "other supported devices" mean.
i want to understand why the pcmcia do not work.
this SH&^$^%$t ir p-ssing me off. just burned 3 evening hours i didnt have and am at the same starting point.
please help!
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FlamingSasquatch
Starting Member
Canada
48 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2007 : 22:51:19
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The only way I managed to install an OS on a P1120 without removing the hard disk was to boot from a usb floppy. I was installing Linux, so I made a kernel disk with the appropriate usb cdrom drivers, attached a USB floppy and a USB cdrom, booted from the floppy and then transferred control to the CDROM and *then* installed the operating system.
The P1120 is *very* finicky about what it will boot from. USB 2.0 compatible devices appear not to work, so your boot options are
1) internal hard disk
2) USB (1.0) floppy
3) find an old USB 1.0 external cdrom.
Nothing else I've tried has ever worked, although other people have managed to make the PXE option work.
If you *really* *really* want Windows 2003 in that thing (and why, oh why would you?) I would suggest you find a Windows 2000 CD, make a boot floppy from it, install Windows 2000 and then use the Windows 2003 CD to upgrade to Win2k3.
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notshai
Starting Member
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Posted - 02/05/2007 : 23:12:56
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hi, thanx for the reply!
my sony pcmcia IS 1.0 it doesnt even lit the led for a sec b4 the 1120 declares "no os found".
how do folks with corrupted HD gets service from fujitsu? i guess they send them an imaged HD to replace?
i want 03Server since i want to use it for network admin tasks such as network discovery using wincap sms netmon etc i realize linux would be better (more tools) but with 10 years ignoring linux i am at a disadvantage, wouldnt know where to start, and the overhead of intallation is just not worth it (i think). i actually entertained the idea of dual booting with fedura (?) i saw someone blogged detailed install, but the details were just oo intimidating.
this 1120 is perfect size to go to diff sites and run whatever tool i need without the bulky laptop bag.
i guess my solution will be a usb floppy. to load the sony pcmcia drivers (?) to load the 2003 cd from?
is there a way to boot from flash drive? |
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FlamingSasquatch
Starting Member
Canada
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Posted - 02/05/2007 : 23:20:09
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quote:
Originally posted by notshai
hi, thanx for the reply!
how do folks with corrupted HD gets service from fujitsu? i guess they send them an imaged HD to replace?
I'm sure Fujitsu will quite happily sell you one of *their* external CDROM drives (for $250.00) that will boot on a P1k. 
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i guess my solution will be a usb floppy. to load the sony pcmcia drivers (?) to load the 2003 cd from?
Sounds like a viable plan.
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is there a way to boot from flash drive?
Not that I've heard.
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NigelS
Senior Member Member
Canada
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Posted - 02/05/2007 : 23:22:29
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From one year ago:
"...First my sincere thanks to this forum & all the contributors. Just got my first P1120, likely would not have been brave enough w/out this forum. Just returned from my 1st business trip using it, was only one in roomful of laptops that never needed A/C power, it was great.
I've read maybe all posts on this forum & many others as well regarding booting from USB CD-ROM. On this forum I've learned that AlexR can do it, many others cannot.
I think comes down to bridge h/w & firmware between USB & actual CD-ROM.
The first/primary CD/DVD (slot-loaded dual-layer DVD burner) I got does not boot my P1120, even with BIOS options turned on etc.
After more research I bought a cheap used USB 1.1-only TEAC CD-210PU from ebay for $30+shipping, just got it tonight. It booted 1st time I tried, no problem.
Lot of pompous posts by experts, not on this forum so much as others, saying the "drive" does not matter, only thing that matters is BIOS settings...hogwash. The physical rotating "drive" probably does not matter, but the whole package, terminating at the USB connecter, definitely does. If you want to boot P1xxx series from USB CD-ROM get one of these TEACs, or some other old USB 1.1 CD-ROM, or maybe whatever hardware AlexR has...it will work...." |
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FlamingSasquatch
Starting Member
Canada
48 Posts |
Posted - 02/05/2007 : 23:23:08
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quote:
Originally posted by notshai
my sony pcmcia IS 1.0 it doesnt even lit the led for a sec b4 the 1120 declares "no os found".
Ah, PCMCIA... also not supported as a boot device on the P1K -- rather like the old Ford Model T: "Any colour you want, as long as it's black."
Any boot device you want, so long as it's a USB floppy.
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Edited by - FlamingSasquatch on 02/06/2007 17:22:40 |
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NigelS
Senior Member Member
Canada
1339 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 00:15:49
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There is a chance the PCMCIA slot is only activated by the OS. (For example, this is the case for the P2120 USB slots.)
I'm surprised to hear there is trouble with the HD fitting into place, although I'm not encouraging you to try it again. That connector ribbon can break. These pictures normally help though - http://www.leog.net/hard%20disk%20upgrade.htm
There is one person on the internet who claims to have booted an 1120 from a flashdrive pen (and many have tried). The pen was from China and came with special software for boot. Practically, flashdrives DON'T boot on a 1120. http://sifter.org/~simon/journal/20030911.html
I figure your only hope is the old model TEAC-style usb CDROM mentioned above. Here is the whole discussion -
http://www.leog.net/fujp_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9458&SearchTerms=teac |
Edited by - NigelS on 02/06/2007 00:19:25 |
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notshai
Starting Member
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 00:26:47
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i enjoyed reading your replies.
NigelS - how do you search so effectively? i find the search on this site very limited.
but i do appreciate the refs.
os level pcmcia support sounds correct.
teac cd rom also sounds like the only option.
usb pen from china sounds scary!!!
i have this gorgous machine in my hands for over 12 hours now and all it does is sit there prettily on the desk doin notin'. so sad
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NigelS
Senior Member Member
Canada
1339 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 20:23:59
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| Thanks, notshai - nice of you to say + much appreciated. The P-Series 1000 + 2000 were an inspiration to me when they first came out. I was surprised and quite pleased that a large corporation decided to risk such advanced designs in marketing a portable PC. I doubt most notebook owners today appreciate what a radical statement the P1 + P2 ultraportables made when they arrived. I ran across them on the 'net a few times [when they were new] and thought "these machines - while impressive on paper - must be terribly flawed..." They seemed too good to be true. By chance I saw one in a local shop and on seeing it I had to have it. It was my first PC and I have never stopped being impressed. It is very good to see they remain well-appreciated when even the newest models barely improve on the original design. I hope things go well for you + your new purchase, cheers - NS |
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notshai
Starting Member
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Posted - 02/06/2007 : 22:30:16
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after tons of effort i was able to pull it off. yes that feeling of seeing the USB DVD drive on a dos screen really made me proud.
what you need:
p1120 or the likes (no cd/dvd; pcmcia will not work)
usb floppy drive
2003 server cd
USB CD ROM (any kind)
win98se floppy disk (modified)
SSD drive can help, but i have a 5400 8mb 60gig drive
the trick is to add generic usb cd rom support files to the boot disk, fdisk and format the HD, then run ram booster for the install, boot windows via the i386 folder, and hope nothing blows in the middle.
i am writting this in the 56% "Setup is copying files" stage of 2003 server install, it missed a coupld of active dir inf files for some reason but i just ignored those (i dont intend on using AD on the 1120).
i ended up buying the files but whats $18 for a peace of mind and less time on google? (plus i didnt have to go and pay for a teac cdrom from ebay and wait another 2 weeks).
theres hope !!!
one more thing - you can totally do all this if you have a regular pcmcia cd rom and winXPpro floppies (6 boot) - the xp boot disk add pcmcia support and you can install XPpro and then 2003 on top of that, just a thought.
next project? dual boot with VISTA!!! stay tuned.
[why 2003 & Vista? - i use it for work, dont ask, if you have the need you will just have to go ahead and do it...]
Shai
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FlamingSasquatch
Starting Member
Canada
48 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2007 : 22:37:37
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Glad to hear it worked! I'll be curious to know how Vista reacts to a Crusoe processor... so keep us posted.
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notshai
Starting Member
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Posted - 02/10/2007 : 20:45:20
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update -
didnt get to the Vista part yet but i would like to report that Windows server 2003 is running much faster then windows XP. the 2003 i guess is tweaked from the factory to have minimum services turned on by default.
by the way - Optra and IE7 run at equal speeds. |
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